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              <text>JORDAN: Can you tell me a little bit about your experiences in Geneseo?&#13;
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BEVERLY: When I first started here at Geneseo as a student, there was a Dean here. Her name was Dean Shoemaker. You know how their office is sorta open? There wasn’t walls down the hall. It was kinda all open. And well somebody was not happy with her for not approving something and she came to work one day and somebody had left her a pile of poo in her office.&#13;
Also at that time my sister worked in the records office, and sometimes we had to work on Saturdays for registration times. I was working student accounts. It was when registration stuff was manually done, so you’d have these little cards and stuff, and one Saturday one drunk male student—I assume he was a student—was outside of Erwin urinating outside my sister’s office.&#13;
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JORDAN: What was it like for you to be a student here?&#13;
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BEVERLY: I came here right out of high school, and then I took a leave because my husband—I got married and my husband was in the service so I moved to Germany, and then I finished a semester while I was over there, and then I took a leave of absence when I started working here again when we decided to have a kid while he was still in the service. So then when I started working again, I started working as a state worker here, and at some point down the road, right before I became a widow, I started taking classes again to finish up my degree. So I took two classes a semester and finally finished my degree—changed my field of course.&#13;
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JORDAN: What did you get your degree in?&#13;
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BEVERLY: I got my degree in Sociology, but I originally came here as a mathematics major. I was going to be a math teacher. By the time that I got my degree in Sociology, my goal was to become a social worker because that really is my area of work. But by that time I was a widow, and I was making more money, ten thousand dollars more than what a social worker would start out with, but I also had benefits guaranteed for my son and I, and I had a retirement already locked in and everything. So I had a permanent full time job. So I just put my social work out to the students.&#13;
So a little bit of a different field, but now my son [Brian], he was really good in math, and when he decided to quit college, I signed him up for a state clerk’s test and he was working three part time jobs, and he got a 100 on it. ‘Cause with the civil service you gotta, the higher you score, they interview the top three scores, and you have to be within the top three to get hired, and so that’s how he got hired here. And now he works in student accounts.&#13;
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MIRANDA: And that’s how my entire family ended up working here.&#13;
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BEVERLY: Actually, my second, her [Miranda’s] third cousin, works on maintenance.&#13;
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BEVERLY: What originally drew you to Geneseo?&#13;
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BEVERLY: I was close. Dansville wasn’t very far away. It’s actually the only school I applied to. And my brother is an alumni from Geneseo, so I wanted to go to Geneseo for those two reasons. I didn’t live on campus, I just wanted to commute. And I got a work study job, so I started working the summer before I started. I worked in the financial aid office. So I worked full time during the summer and then part time during the school year.&#13;
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JORDAN: What was it like commuting as opposed to living on campus?&#13;
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BEVERLY: I liked it better because I didn’t want to get into any of the Greek life stuff. I wasn’t a partier or anything like that. And I was very close to my family. So when I got married and all of a sudden moved to Germany, that was very hard. Because that was pre-facebook, pre-email, pre-text messaging, pre any of that stuff. And that was when the mall was still up in Germany. And you couldn’t call because it was very expensive. So very rarely could you call home. [. . .] I took my Calc. 3 final on a Thursday and got married that Saturday.&#13;
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JORDAN: How long were you there for?&#13;
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BEVERLY: A year.&#13;
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MIRANDA: And she got pregnant there.&#13;
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BEVERLY: Yep. My son’s got a stamp on his ass that says made in Germany [. . . ] But I love Geneseo, I’ve been here twenty five years as a worker. And of course I’m an alumni here. When my son was about a year old, I started working part time at a Rite Aid in Dansville as shift supervisor there. The state tests are only offered every so many years, so the state test came out, I took the test, did very well on it, and then there wasn’t an opening yet. The clerk tests—there was that many on campus, and so I got a part-time job at the DEC and then a position came open [at Geneseo] in student accounts, and back then they called it Bursars. And so I interviewed for that, and job the job, and so I was excited and very happy. And my office was right next door to my sister’s office, so it was very cool and very nice. We would drop some kids off at the daycare down the hill—some little kid’s named Miranda and Anthony [her sister’s kids].&#13;
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MIRANDA: The daycare was where the new sports complex is. So it was on campus.&#13;
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BEVERLY: So yeah, it was really nice. Back in the 70s, Geneseo was known as a party school, but then in the 80s it was getting hard to get into. So I put my money on applying to one school. But I did well on my SATs. I won a regional scholarship and then a couple other scholarships. So I did well. And financial aid did well because my parents didn’t make a lot of money. But yeah, Geneseo, I liked it. I’m still here. I graduated in 1983, and I started here as a work study, so I’ve been working here a long time.&#13;
I remember one time when I was working at student accounts, we had a student come in and they were from the AOP office, and there was this one girl who came in and her nails—I think she was from Brooklyn—her nails were so long and they like curled. I’m like “How do you do anything with that?” And she just laughed. I mean, some weird experiences.&#13;
When I was working there, I worked with a guy, my friend Dan. And so Dan was talking to somebody, I was working with a student, and all of a sudden, he looks at me and says “Where did she go?” And I was like “What?” And he goes “The girl I was talking to?” And so I look over the counter and she passed out! And so I run out and I was trying to help her and call for help—the first responders and stuff—and he [Dan] told her there was something wrong with her financial aid, and she was stressed, and so she passed out. Dan was like this very scrawny little guy, you know, redhead, very short—and so all day he was like “Aw I’ve had women falling at my feet all day today.”&#13;
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JORDAN: What are some experiences you’ve had off the campus, in the town?&#13;
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BEVERLY: I had a weird experience at Walmart. I went to Walmart one day, and it was high school graduation day, and I stopped in there for something. And when I was checking out I wasn’t paying attention, and I looked down. And in the cart, there was one of their deposit bags. And I look inside, and there was all this cash. And so I took it up and gave it to customer service. I didn’t want anybody to get fired from their job. I had all these people tell me “Aw man! You should have left with it!” No! That’s stealing. It’s still their money, you know? There’s cameras everywhere, first of all.&#13;
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MIRANDA: How about when you were younger? Did you like any places in Geneseo?&#13;
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BEVERLY: We once in a while came to the movies here, but we didn’t have a lot of money. And I certainly wasn’t one to hang out with the college kids because I wasn’t a drinker. But we did come. My brother had a lot of band, orchestra, events. So we’d come, especially his senior recitals and stuff, we’d come and listen to that. I really liked that.&#13;
And when I was a student here, I took some German classes, after I lived in Germany. And my teacher was this little German woman. And she had us to her house once, to watch a German movie and there was German food. And that was really cool.&#13;
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MIRANDA: Did you have any friends and go somewhere?&#13;
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BEVERLY: Well my one friend, my best friend actually, commuted with me.&#13;
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MIRANDA: Aunt Teresa?&#13;
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BEVERLY: Aunt Teresa.&#13;
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MIRANDA: Her best friend married her brother.&#13;
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BEVERLY: We used to go to the Hub a lot. It’s no longer there. It’s now called “The Knight Spot.” It’s Blake A. I don’t know, is it even still open? But anyways, it was amazing. It was not Fusion or whatever, and you could get lunch there and stuff, and they had the best cookies and they had nice salads. And we’d go there and sit and have lunch and it was just a nice hang out space. And it’s no longer there anymore.&#13;
Of course we loved, everybody loved Aunt Cookies. You can’t go to Geneseo and not go to Aunt Cookies. And of course Buzzo’s. Buzzo’s on Main Street.&#13;
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MIRANDA: It’s the music store on Main Street. They have a bunch of records and stuff.&#13;
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BEVERLY: Buzzo’s famous. I think he was in a motorcycle accident, too. And Uncle Bob’s picture might be on the wall—my brother, because he’s a musician. Obviously, Buzzo’s a musician. Anyways, the store is right next to Sundance. And back then the bookstore here was horrible, it was horribly expensive. There was no online Amazon or anything. There were barely computers. But Sundance, you could order your books through them. And it was much cheaper, and they were alumni’s from the school, so you were helping the alumn. It was much cheaper. So that was nice.&#13;
There weren’t a lot of restaurants back then. There weren’t any on the strip. I was so happy when Applebee’s came. It’s my favorite restaurant. But I think Wendy’s was big here. We didn’t have a Wendy’s anywhere near us. [. . .] I went to Club 41 once, when I first started at the college. I went with some of my work friends. And I went to Kelly’s I think once or twice. But I was like “No, I’m not touching anything here. It was gross.” Of course, I’m not much of a drinker. I was drunk once in my life, and I was not fond of it.</text>
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              <text>CHELSEA:  What was it like moving?  You were in Dansville correct, before you moved to Geneseo?&#13;
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CATHERINE: Well… I was in with my son- I didn’t have a place, I was looking for something.&#13;
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CHELSEA:  So how was it different moving to Geneseo?&#13;
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CATHERINE: Well I didn’t really plan on moving to Geneseo and I wrote a story about that too:  I planned on moving to Batavia ‘cause I had a child in Buffalo, and a child in Rochester, and a child in Dansville and if you look at the map Batavia’s right in the middle and so I thought that was the place to go but I didn’t like Batavia -it’s not a city and it’s not a little town- and I’d never heard of Geneseo, but one time I was coming back -I was staying with my son in Dansville- so when I was coming back I got off three ninety and came through town and so I said when I got down there, I said “I think I’ll go up to Geneseo and look around tomorrow.”  And he goes “Oh mom, you don’t want to move there- that’s a college town.”  So I said “Well I’ll go up and see,” and I had an apartment by noontime!  I lived down and back of the Ponderosa, where the Ponderosa was, there are apartments there.  And so what I did when I came up was I went to the store and got a penny-saver, and I went to Burger King and looked for apartments and then at that point Wegmans was down in that -where the Goodwill is now- there was a Wegmans store.  So I went over there and used the phone booth and I said “I read this ad about an apartment and I wanted to see it,” and it was on Jacqueline Way- do you know where Jacqueline way is?  Well, anyway I asked her where Jacqueline Way was and she asked me where I was, and I said “I’m in the phone booth by Wegmans,” so she said “Well if you walk out of the booth and go straight ahead you’re on Jacqueline way.”  It’s that street where the apartments are.&#13;
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CHELSEA:  Yea, I think I know where that is…&#13;
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CATHERINE: Well, if you went out of the Goodwill door and went straight -not up by 20-A but straight across- that’s the apartments.&#13;
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CHELSEA:  So what made you decide to get an apartment so quickly in Geneseo?&#13;
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CATHERINE: I don’t know: I just wanted to look at it and I liked everything about it so I rented it.  You get tired of rooming around sometimes- so I stayed there for four years and then I had the house built.   &#13;
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CHELSEA:  So what’s it like living in a college town?&#13;
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CATHERINE: Oh I think it’s wonderful, yea there’s always something to do down there.  I went down to that -what is it at the beginning of the year with all music programs?- the singing and the- I forget what they call it, but it’s just a little taste of the musicians and …&#13;
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CHELSEA: Oh of each group?  That’s the Kaleidoscope concert that they have for parent’s weekend.&#13;
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CATHERINE: Yeah that’s it, I couldn’t think of the name.  Do you go?  &#13;
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CHELSEA:   I went the first two years, and since then I’ve been going to the actual performers that I liked the most, their shows.&#13;
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CATHERINE: But it’s like a little sample, have you been?  &#13;
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CHELSEA:  No I didn’t get to go- my friend played in it though but I’ll be there next year.&#13;
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CATHERINE: Okay good!  [laughs]  But I like the plays… and it’s really good.&#13;
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CHELSEA:  So you said after you went to Geneseo for a bit you went got your degree…&#13;
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CATHERINE: No, I got my degree before I came up here- an Associate’s degree.  And I never got a degree from here because you can sit in on the classes but you don’t get a grade.&#13;
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CHELSEA:  So when did you get your Associate’s degree?&#13;
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CATHERINE: I was sixty years old: I went back to college after my husband died with a girlfriend and we graduated together.  But we were taking just a course at night- like I say, the last year we had to take a full course at the community college but that was the only time I took four subjects at one time and that’s hard!  It’s like every teacher thinks they’re the only ones giving you homework!  [laughs]  &#13;
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CHELSEA:   Or when they make their tests they’re all in the same area of time.  Um-hm.  What your degree in?&#13;
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CATHERINE: Liberal arts, and then when I started taking classes down here I only took English classes I think and some history.&#13;
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CHELSEA:   Just the interesting ones!&#13;
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CATHERINE: Yea right, something I enjoyed.  And that’s another thing, I know you don’t enjoy all your classes: there are favorites and there are not.  &#13;
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CHELSEA:  It seems like you’re really involved around Geneseo as well, you’re in a lot of clubs and stuff.  Yeah I really like the town.  What are you involved with?&#13;
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CATHERINE: Well, the senior citizens- I was involved with the Red Cross for a long time but not so much anymore.  Did you go to the craft fair this weekend?  Well I was kind of missing it ‘cause I was away: it’s a fabulous craft fair, they have really nice crafts and a lot of ‘em.  And I have always worked at it, taking money when they come in, and that’s fun because it’s very, very business so they give you the money as fast as you can take it and that was fun.  So this year I didn’t and kind of missed it.&#13;
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CHELSEA:   Have you ever gone to the craft show in Letchworth?  They have it Columbus weekend.&#13;
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CATHERINE: Oh yes!&#13;
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CHELSEA:   My mom and I went the one year- that is a craft show!&#13;
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CATHERINE: That is a craft show!  Well, the Red Cross isn’t that great because it’s all in that one building. It’s all in this armory here.  But the one over in Letchworth- I went one time with my girlfriend and we were stuck in traffic near Brian’s restaurant and we decided not to go.  I mean we were there for maybe an hour and a half and we got up to the entrance and said forget it!   I don’t know where they were parking them, but it happened to be a really nice day and that’s what happened.  So this year I didn’t even try but the crafts are beautiful, absolutely, I think they must have to show what they do- no glue, no glue-gun.  Have you ever been?&#13;
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CHELSEA:  No I haven’t, but I like going to craft shows at home.&#13;
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CATHERINE: Well this one is like the mother-of-all craft fairs: ‘cause they have photography and quilts and paintings and flower arrangements- really nice stuff.  &#13;
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CHELSEA:  So what else are you involved in?&#13;
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CATHERINE: Let’s see, have you ever heard of- I think I told you two a little bit about the Monday evening class.  That’s great.  And…  oh red hats- that’s supposed to be just a fun things and it is.  The reason that started is -why I started with the red hats- I was an ombudsman for a nursing home and I don’t know why they ever used that word, it’s just an advocate.  You go over and visit them and you’re supposed to record any complaints that the residents have and then you turn in to the Office for Aging.  And the state comes and inspects those homes once or twice a year, maybe a few times more but- but anyway, when the state men come down they go to the Office for Aging first, and they read your complaints, like if somebody had been sores and they weren’t being taken care of or they tied ‘em in a chair.  They used to do those horrible things, but now they don’t so much.  You’re not allowed to strap ’em down in bed but that’s what they used to do… ‘cause they wander at night- it’s really a problem for them too.  And the nurses and -or the aides more of than the nurses actually- have a really hard job.  I said one time they’re the ones that needed the advocate.  But anyway: we quit at the same time, there were about five of us.  And we used to go out -we had a meeting once a month- and we used to go out for breakfast afterwards.  So this one girl decided she was really gonna miss the breakfasts, so that’s when she suggested that we all join the red hats- and that’s the only time I see those women now.  Usually we just go for lunch once a month, and that’s the only time I see them.&#13;
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CATHERINE: What made you come here as a college student?&#13;
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CHELSEA:  Well I don’t know, I guess it’s a nice little town and I liked that there’s a main street and at the same time it’s just very beautiful and not in a chaotic place. I liked that the campus was small and that the area was pretty, and [also] the school itself. [. . .] I think it’s nice that Geneseo is a college because I feel like that keeps the small businesses in the area alive.&#13;
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CATHERINE: I think so too.  But little stores do have their advantage and Walmart -I’m not a Walmart fan at all- but they pay somebody to stand at the door and greet you- he doesn’t know you from Adam.  You walk into one [of the small stores] and they don’t know your name either but- what’s the name of that variety store…I can never remember it down here…I don’t know whether you know it but the fellow that runs Sundance, it’s his wife [in] the department store up the street that has all the really neat little gifts…  Oh is it Touch of Grayce?   Yes, the Touch of Grayce.  You walk in the Touch of Grayce- if you went in there once a month they get so they know you, they don’t know your name but they do know you, they recognize you.  And sometimes they know your name, Sundance knows my name- I don’t know any other store that’s like that… I go to that diner to have breakfast there and the waitress knows my name but it’s- you can’t pay someone to do that and that’s what Walmart is doing.  I mean he’s doing his job: he’s saying “hello, hello!”  [laughs]&#13;
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CHELSEA:  It’s just funny that a job like that exists.&#13;
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CATHERINE: Well, that’s why it does exist because Sam -I wonder about Sam Walton because I’ve read stories about him, I wonder what he would think of Walmart really, because that wasn’t his intent I don’t think- he did want that friendly atmosphere and like I say that’s nothing you can buy.  It’s gotta be sincere or it doesn’t work.&#13;
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CHELSEA:  Yeah that’s why small towns are nice, I like that: I just ordered a CD the other day from a music store on Main St. and they called me. It was nice ‘cause they don’t always call you about…&#13;
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CATHERINE: It is nice!  And there’s a florist shop too that the woman is very friendly and she’s got a lot of really super gifts.  You go in Walmarts, yeah they have a lot of gifts…  I remember last Christmas I went in there- it was overpowering, but there wasn’t one thing there that was really Christmas: it was plastic, red, fake!  But I don’t know whether you’ve ever been to that -I think it’s called the Genesee- the flower shop, a young girl runs it.  She’s got a lot of nice gifts in there.</text>
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[Rustling noise as Ms. Adams gets up to get a picture and shows it to us. It is an old photograph of the tavern by Byrne Dairy]&#13;
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ELIZABETH: No. Wait, yes. I’ll show you who took the photos. Hang on. Here they are! [She comes back into the room with three photographs]. They took photos all over town. My aunt and her friends. There’s one where the Catholic Church parking lot is now. [She shows us a photograph of three young women in dresses and carrying parasols with a man. The group is standing on what appears to be a rocky path with grass on the side.] My great-great grandfather had the store downtown.&#13;
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              <text>-March 10, 1996 (when the interview was done) &#13;
-school fire; october 27, 1961&#13;
-first schoolhouse was just north of Zion Episocopal church&#13;
-Avon Central School district&#13;
-1836 Avon Academy built on Temple St. (then was called Academy St.)&#13;
-built by Wadsworth for school of ladies&#13;
-1864 was changed and remodeled &#13;
-october 1867 they added an academy department (called the academic department) &#13;
-Reuben Wallace made principal and stayed for forty years&#13;
-contributed a lot to get the Avon school system organized&#13;
-hard discipline (paddle in the basement) &#13;
—$2000 to run the school and pay the four teachers&#13;
-paid the academic dept. $5 a term, three academic sessions a term to go there and there were 3 terms a year&#13;
-each year they had 2 graduates&#13;
-primary dept. was only $3 because they felt that the teachers didn’t need to know as much (Irene laughs at this becuse we know this to not be true today) &#13;
-Union Free School became Avon High School (1896) was approved by the Board of Regents &#13;
-1907 they built the Avon High School and built it for $40000 &#13;
-Wallace was the principal until the end of WWI&#13;
-wife taught at the school &#13;
-1926 they added two wings to the front of the building including the gym &#13;
-both of these wings were ruined by the fire &#13;
-1929 principal James Green and stayed for 14 years and decided that we needed more room and then the back wings were added (which were saved by the fire) &#13;
-wings that they lived in after the fire while they were waiting to do something &#13;
-1943 they add to centralize all the school districts &#13;
-1946 Caledonia Road School was added to Avon School Disrict&#13;
-Avon-Caledonia school was built in the 1900s and they had a chemical toilet inside which was very rare as well as a cloak room (no pot bellied stove and they had a furnace) &#13;
-in this school district they dug a well and the well was sulphur water so when you pump the water (only tin cup) the children didn’t like it so the students would bring their own water&#13;
-oldest boy in the school was the janitor but also would bring the water &#13;
-moved from tin cups to paper cups&#13;
-1959 had outgrown the room &#13;
-for four years they fought to see if they really needed a new school &#13;
-four votes &#13;
-meeting to vote on the room (meeting went until 2am!) &#13;
-auditorium was a “bone of contention” &#13;
-the auditorium won by two votes which is interesting to Irene because it has been used by everyone in town &#13;
-beautiful elementary school which was the old high school; plenty of room&#13;
-October 27, 1961 was the fire that started &#13;
-fire alarm at 11:59 but clocks stopped&#13;
-1961-63 the elementary classes had just two back wings &#13;
-everyone came to help &#13;
-not one child or fireman was hurt &#13;
-the floors over the years had been oiled &#13;
-cold air in the hall just shot it right into the attic &#13;
-12:53 Harry Clemens and Dwayne Staples discovered there was smoke up by the ceiling and reported it to Annie Clemens &#13;
-480 students at the time of the fire&#13;
-many fire drills and had had 3 in the cafeteria which was wonderful because they knew what to do &#13;
-that morning they had had a bomb drill (faced the wall, hands and knees, head down on the floor, NOT  a sound) &#13;
-four kindergartens and they went to the basement of the Avon Free Library (2 in the morning, 2 in the afternoon) &#13;
-moved 3 years later &#13;
-used the partitions later on for stage plays as scenery &#13;
-two second grades went to Central Presbyterian Church &#13;
-very small room&#13;
-had a gym area, library, and phone, no cafeteria&#13;
-6th grade had to move to the high school into the home making classroom &#13;
-no connections, no telephones, PA system, no bells &#13;
-no way to know if the busses were ready to go so they had runners to go look (typically boys but then later on the girls wanted to as well because it was “kinda fun”) &#13;
-no announcements &#13;
-Mrs. Mahar in the office and kids always said hello to her &#13;
-principal’s office was at the end of the hallway &#13;
-Irene was supervisor and was made principal Decemeber 1961 (after the fire) &#13;
-Irene would sometimes take the kids home if they looked really sick at the nurse &#13;
-the nurses’ office was very cold &#13;
-no cafeteria and the kids always forgot their lunch &#13;
-so Irene would take big loaves of bread and peanut butter and they would make peanut butter sandwiches for anyone who forgot their lunch &#13;
-no one ever went hungry and milk was always delivered &#13;
-someone dropped an apple and Irene slipped and fell and her whole arm was black and blue&#13;
-the kids picked up everything after that and said “rememeber Mrs. Coleman’s arm” &#13;
-November 21, 1961 it rained and kept on raining and the wing on the right gave way in 6-8 places and started dripping&#13;
-placed garbage pails and went right on teaching&#13;
-Irene was concerned about the children and would go check on them a lot &#13;
-had to have the reading groups out in the corridor &#13;
-Stan Coleman (husband) built furniture and built the mailboxes for the office and also built bookcases that had burned in the fire&#13;
-built the balance beams and framed all the pictures in the hallway &#13;
-lost every book in the library except for the ones that the kids had out&#13;
-librarian said that she would buy the books and catalog them and every week there were new books coming in &#13;
-Irene took over her classes then &#13;
-the teachers wouldn’t stay because that was the time they had a break because otherwise they were with the children all day &#13;
-coffeepot; mostly got a coffee to warm your hands because it was so cold in the hallways &#13;
-line for the toilet all the time &#13;
-Albany wanted Avon to join with Lima to make a bigger school district but both didn’t want each other &#13;
-“changing of the guard” for the bathroom &#13;
-4-6th grade had no coat racks so they mustered as much as they could coat racks because otherwise they didn’t have room in the classrooms &#13;
-everything had to be very organized; coats, hats, boots, lunches, musical instruments &#13;
-couldn’t open the school until they opened fire escapes (had to have 2 exits) &#13;
-took 3 weeks to put them up and just 3 hours to take them down with an air hammer&#13;
-5th grade class had a cement truck outside&#13;
-on the day of the fire, Irene was teaching Mrs. Mayer’s classroom (5th grade) &#13;
-Irene knew it was the real thing because she didn’t pull the alarm &#13;
-tar smell and Irene tried to convince the kids that it was a “clean” smell &#13;
-they had birds in the corridor&#13;
-March 18 there was a big snowstorm; no outside phone, frantically trying to get the message out to families &#13;
-day that was scheduled shots in the clinic&#13;
-two teachers cars were stuck in the mud&#13;
-1 movie machine &#13;
-Albany said in October 1962 that Avon was given state aid to build a school &#13;
-finally they voted on the new school and there was drama because people weren’t going to vote because they figured everyone was going to vote yes but that wasn’t true &#13;
-111 that voted against the school (some people just vote against the school no matter what it is) &#13;
-asking for $340000&#13;
-Dr. Gail (Last Name Here)  came down from Geneseo and asked if Avon was looking for student teachers &#13;
-wanted his student teachers to come because they have excellent teachers and you’re doing things in the classroom for your students &#13;
-parent conferences and for 12 years 100% of the parents came for conferences &#13;
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-Valentine’s Day was special in the elementary school and the girls would deliver valentines to all the workers &#13;
-Irene did all the IQ tests &#13;
-achievement scores never went down &#13;
-May 1: special day and there wasn’t a sound, that was the day of the strike &#13;
-the men went on strike&#13;
-students said “Don’t they know we need a new school?” &#13;
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-highest teacher morale, never had a teacher complain to Irene&#13;
-parents and the teachers were both cooperative &#13;
-write an article at the end of the year&#13;
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